This was raised in the Federal Parliament yesterday (18/11).
Transcript has been taken from Hansard.
Senator HANSON-YOUNG (2.18 pm)—My question is to the Minister representing the Prime Minister, Senator Evans. Given the boat currently holding 255 Sri Lankans in Merak were intercepted by Indonesia at Australia’s request, and we now hear that, without any assessment of these people’s claims by the UNHCR, Indonesia is looking to deport these people back to Sri Lanka, what assurances, if any, did the Australian government delegation seek or receive during the visit to Sri Lanka last week that asylum seekers sent back to Sri Lanka would be kept safe and not subject to any form of persecution from the government of Sri Lanka?
Senator CHRIS EVANS—It is true that we cooperated with Indonesia and encouraged them to intercept the vessel that is now docked at Merak. And, as I understand it, the 250 or so people who are on board are still refusing to disembark. But that is a matter that is in the hands of the Indonesian authorities. There are no Australian authorities involved in that process. I understand that the IOM has been involved, but that involvement may have ceased. There has been, as I understand it, some trouble on the boat, and some disagreement. I think that actually reached some level of violence the other day, but they have been there for a long time. The Indonesian government’s position, as I understand it, is that they will be processed once they disembark the vessel. That is obviously in their hands. I do not have any particular assurances as to how those people will be treated, because we have not been engaged actively in the handling of those persons on that boat in Merak.
What I can say to you, though, is that the press reports about them threatening to deport these people without proper refugee assessment beforehand are just that—claims in the press. I would point out to you that, to my knowledge, the Indonesians have not in the past sought to deport people before they have had asylum claims considered. All I can tell you is that the experience we have had with the Indonesians is that they have made safe places available for people inside Indonesia, they have allowed UNHCR and IOM access to those persons and they have allowed people who are seeking asylum to lodge claims with the UNHCR. So, while I have seen the press reports, as you have, I have no basis for— (Time expired)
Senator HANSON-YOUNG—Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I thank the minister for his answer. Given that the people onboard the Oceanic Viking will now be detained in Indonesian detention centres, how can Australia knowingly now allow children to be locked behind bars? Does the government believe that this is appropriate?
Senator CHRIS EVANS—To be frank, Senator, you have just made another leap with, as I understand it, no basis for those claims. Do you know that children in Merak are about to be detained in detention centres? Because I certainly do not.
Senator Hanson-Young—On a point of order, Mr President: I referenced the Oceanic Viking.
Senator CHRIS EVANS—Mr President, I would like you to take on notice some consideration of supplementaries that refer to different subjects. That is why I got confused. If the question is about the Oceanic Viking, the Indonesian authorities have stated publicly that they will be making accommodation arrangements for women and children in accordance with their normal policy which seeks to provide appropriate accommodation for them. At the moment, the small number of women and children on the vessel have not disembarked, but we have advised the Indonesians of our views on those matters. We have always advocated that children should not be held in detention centres. Clearly, this is a matter for the Indonesian government—
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Senator HANSON-YOUNG—Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. The reports from the Indonesian government themselves suggest that they would not be accommodating refugees or asylum seekers who disembarked from the Oceanic Viking in any detention facilities other than the detention centres.
Therefore, does the Australian government believe it is appropriate that children be detained in this manner?
Senator CHRIS EVANS—My advice is that women and children, when they disembark the Oceanic Viking, will be accommodated in appropriate accommodation. That is our understanding. I would envisage that to be a separate facility from the Tanjung
Pinang detention centre, but this is obviously a matter for the Indonesian government. Our view is that they would be best housed elsewhere, and it is my understanding that the Indonesian government will make appropriate accommodation arrangements. about those arrangements.